tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post1855187136474859214..comments2023-07-13T02:41:14.787-07:00Comments on Captain Brodad Unkahubabuddy: Joe Biden's 14 Lies in the DebateBrodad Unkabuddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15878104722897852511noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post-64707807630757864182008-10-04T21:17:00.000-07:002008-10-04T21:17:00.000-07:00I googled "Biden's lies during the debate" and thi...I googled "Biden's lies during the debate" and this is what came up. However I will say, Mike and I watched the debate together while IMing back and forth, I would type "bs" when I thought Biden was bs'ing. I think I typed "bs" just about 14 times.Brodad Unkabuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878104722897852511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post-50434191214920714512008-10-04T16:02:00.000-07:002008-10-04T16:02:00.000-07:00I'm sure you did all that research yourself?I'm sure you did all that research yourself?Lyndseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08371455201039168934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post-3707856849289585652008-10-03T19:53:00.000-07:002008-10-03T19:53:00.000-07:00Yikes! The "Kraut" has spoken: "first class intel...Yikes! The "Kraut" has spoken: "first class intellect and a first class temperament." <BR/><BR/> Hail Mary vs. Cool Barry<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>By Charles Krauthammer<BR/>Friday, October 3, 2008; Page A23<BR/><BR/>Krauthammer's Hail Mary Rule: You get only two per game. John McCain, unfortunately, has already thrown three. The first was his bet on the surge, a deep pass to David Petraeus who miraculously ran it all the way into the end zone.<BR/>This Story<BR/><BR/> *<BR/> Hockey Mom on Thin Ice<BR/> *<BR/> The Running Mates' Moment<BR/> *<BR/> Topic A: Topic A: How They Did<BR/> *<BR/> Hail Mary vs. Cool Barry<BR/><BR/><BR/>Then, seeking a game-changer after the Democratic convention, McCain threw blind into the end zone to a waiting Sarah Palin. She caught the ball. Her subsequent fumbles have taken the sheen off of that play, but she nonetheless invaluably solidifies his Republican base.<BR/><BR/>When the financial crisis hit, McCain went razzle-dazzle again, suspending his campaign and declaring that he'd stay away from the first presidential debate until the financial crisis was solved.<BR/><BR/>He tempted fate one time too many. After climbing up on his high horse, McCain had to climb down. The crisis unresolved, he showed up at the debate regardless, rather abjectly conceding Obama's mocking retort that presidential candidates should be able to do "more than one thing at once." (Although McCain might have pointed out that while he was trying to do two things, Obama was sitting on the sidelines doing one thing only: campaigning.)<BR/>ad_icon<BR/><BR/>You can't blame McCain. In an election in which all the fundamentals are working for the opposition, he feels he has to keep throwing long in order to keep hope alive. Nonetheless, his frenetic improvisation has perversely (for him) framed the rookie challenger favorably as calm, steady and cool.<BR/><BR/>In the primary campaign, Obama was cool as in hip. Now Obama is cool as in collected. He has the discipline to let slow and steady carry him to victory. He has not at all distinguished himself in this economic crisis -- nor, one might add, in any other during his national career -- but detachment has served him well. He understands that this election, like the election of 1980, demands only one thing of the challenger: Make yourself acceptable. Once Ronald Reagan convinced America that he was not menacing, he won in a landslide. If Obama convinces the electorate that he is not too exotic or green or unprepared, he wins as well.<BR/><BR/>When after the Republican convention Obama's poll numbers momentarily slipped behind McCain's, panicked Democrats urged him to get mad. He did precisely the opposite. He got calm. He repositioned himself as ordinary, becoming the earnest factory-floor, coffee-shop, union-hall candidate.<BR/><BR/>In doing so, he continues his clever convention-speech pivot from primary to general election. In a crowded primary field in which he was the newcomer and the stranger, he rose above the crowd on pure special effects: dazzling rhetoric, natural charisma, and a magic carpet ride of transcendence and hope.<BR/><BR/>It worked for two reasons: Democrats believe that nonsense, and he was new. But now he needs more than Democrats. And novelty fades.<BR/><BR/>Obama understood that the magic was wearing off and the audacity of hope wearing thin. Hence the self-denial perfectly personified in his acceptance speech in Denver. He could have had 80,000 people in rapture. Instead, he made himself prosaic, even pedestrian, going right to the general election audience to project himself as one of them.<BR/><BR/>Ordinariness was the theme. His self-told life story? Common man, hence that brazen introductory biopic that shamelessly skipped from Hawaii grade-schooler to Chicago community organizer with not a word about Columbia and Harvard. His riff on American concerns? All middle-class anxieties. His list of programs? All pitched as his middle-class remedies.<BR/><BR/>He's been moderate in policy and temper ever since. His one goal: Pass the Reagan '80 threshold. Be acceptable, be cool, be reassuring.<BR/><BR/>Part of reassurance is intellectual. Like Palin, he's a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Obama held his own -- fluid, familiar and therefore plausibly presidential.<BR/><BR/>Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a "second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament." Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition -- do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he's got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.vwatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04352073204117744845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post-49162313375060022872008-10-03T19:44:00.000-07:002008-10-03T19:44:00.000-07:00This post pretty well sums up my impression of the...This post pretty well sums up my impression of the debate. Palin managed to cross the low bar set for her and avoided any major gaffes-as did "say it ain't so Joe". Most of the female feedback I have read/heard centers around the issue of Palin's professionalism and demeanor during the debate. An often heard refrain was that, "if I smirked, winked, gosh-darned, Joe six -packed my way through an executive/sales briefing the way Pain did, I would have zero credibility as a female executive." And she wants to be Vice-President? She did manage to memorize her talking points and avoided a total meltdown -no game -changer unfortunately to help out McCain. <BR/> <BR/>BLOG by Joshua Micah Marshall<BR/><BR/>Initial Reaction<BR/><BR/>My global thought on this debate is that is that it helped the Obama-Biden ticket more than McCain-Palin's. But I also think it probably helped stop some of the hemorrhaging and morale breakdown among hardcore Republicans.<BR/>One clear fact about this debate is that Palin didn't have one of those stammering moments that we've seen especially in the Couric interview. She got the name of the top general in Afghanistan wrong. And she dug in on a clearly false claim when she said that Joe Biden had supported McCain's Iraq policies up until this campaign started. That's nonsense. And I suspect we'll see that whopper taken apart over the next hours and days. Still, though, these whoppers and gaffes aren't in the same category. (I mean, a pretty ridiculous standard -- she clearly has virtually no grasp of any major national political or policy issue.) For that reason, as I said, I think she gives base Republicans a reason to feel reassured and permission to stop feeling embarrassed.<BR/>One thing that I think is easy to overlook here is that Biden did really well. He started a little slow. But he quickly got into his groove and in the second half there were several answers that he took the debate squarely to John McCain in a way that I thought was very effective.<BR/>So basically a win for Biden because he just did a lot better and it's Obama-Biden who want the trajectory of the race to stay as is. She made herself less of an embarrassment and gave core Republicans a reason to stop being embarrassed. But there were a bunch of flatly false or nonsensical things she said -- and we'll see those picked apart over the next few days.<BR/>--Josh Marshallvwatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04352073204117744845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8152276548741689888.post-82474804300880242342008-10-03T18:54:00.000-07:002008-10-03T18:54:00.000-07:00Impressive. Did you come up with these?Impressive. Did you come up with these?Mike Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06945346269901306549noreply@blogger.com